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Anybody using the new vista operating system
having a few problems with program compatabilty at the moment nero dont work which is a bit of a bummer :mad:
No intention of ever using it, dont like the look of IE7 so for me its a no no.
Regards,
surfer_chick
28/01/2007, 11:05
I've not even bothered to upgrade to IE7, rarely use it anyway unless something won't work/display properly in Firefox.
I didn't realise Vista was even out yet Mirage, but no, I won't be in a hurry to try it out either ;)
Well apart from a few incompatibly issues “software venders will need to patch/update there programs” its running great.
I know what you’re saying about never going to use it but didn’t we say that about windows XP,ME, 98, 95, MSDOS, commodore 64,sinclar spectrum, abacus...
tboorman
28/01/2007, 11:45
I'm not even going to consider upgrading to Vista until SP1 is released.
I actually quite like IE7 - I've been using it since the first Beta version. I do have Firefox installed as a fallback though.
I dont like the layout of IE7, if there was an option to put the menus as per IE6 I would use it, thats the only thing putting me off.
Regards,
tboorman
28/01/2007, 15:34
Doesn't turning on the Menu Bar in IE7 achieve that?
I agree with Brian. The position of the menus is anoying and can only be re-positioned with an add in that does not work too well. Firefox for me until they fix this:rolleyes:
davidreed19
28/01/2007, 15:44
I have no real problem with IE7 as such, other than I wish they would add more stuff in terms of web standards support for future releases.
As for Vista, I tried the Beta that was released and haven't see enough to warrant an upgrade (though as with XP, a time will come when it's required).
Mirage wrote:
Anybody using the new vista operating system
having a few problems with program compatabilty at the moment nero dont work which is a bit of a bummer
Its fully supported in Nero7....they may not offer support in version 6. Upgrade=more money:(
Nero7 (http://www.nero.com/nero7/eng/windows_vista.html)
Cliff:)
Like Tim, I wouldn't consider touching it until SP1 is out.....and it's unlikely I will even then, with what I've read about it so far. As for IE7, definitely don't like it but I've been a Firefox convert for a long while anyhow, so rarely need to use it.
Ircsum.
The use of vista will almost mean having 2 gig minimum RAM and a decent graphics card.....So anything over two years will best be left to XP (I think windows stops support of XP in 2009/2010).
Just a bit of fun on vista.
vista video (http://video.on.nytimes.com/ifr_main.jsp?nsid=b-2ab150df:11069bfe44f:-1468&st=1170006112860&mp=FLV&cpf=false&fvn=9&fr=121606_021109_26f34614x10f8c85e449x8dc&rdm=457161.89614364965)
backup video (http://video.on.nytimes.com/ifr_main.jsp?nsid=b-2ab150df:110697b05bb:5ff5&rf=bm&fr_story=d14603c1e23e6ce37920a8134a2e27b1405a4991&st=1170005227869&mp=FLV&cpf=false&fvn=9&fr=121606_021109_26f34614x10f8c85e449x8dc&rdm=199554.74706345925)
Anyone use Opera?? Try the widgets....Vista call them gadgets
There are various flavors of vista the one am using is home premium
It has the windows media centre, this was the one program I was interested
in using its working on a shuttle pc which will be used has a home entertainment centre.
all I need now is the remote control …..
I dont like the layout of IE7, if there was an option to put the menus as per IE6 I would use it, thats the only thing putting me off.
First time I used it after downloading I was a bit surprised. Nothing seemed logical, had to fiddle with things just to get to every day stuff. Not very impressed TBH.
Firefox has loads of issues, it's a memory hog, it's Java stuff seems a bit hit and miss, but given well written sites it's very good.
First choice for me and has been for the last 18 months or more.
tboorman
28/01/2007, 18:36
The use of vista will almost mean having 2 gig minimum RAM and a decent graphics card.....So anything over two years will best be left to XP (I think windows stops support of XP in 2009/2010).
According to http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/?p1=3223:
Mainstream support will end two years after the next version of this product is released. Extended support will end five years after mainstream support ends.
as was said before i bet all of you said i wont touch xp with a barge pole bet were all there now how times change
tboorman
07/02/2007, 20:31
That's actually not true in my case, but the differences between Vista and XP are far greater than those there were between XP and 2000.
Vista, Im going to ban that word on the forums and put all stars in place of that dredded word ;)
Dont like it but yet again I said that about XP.
Regards,
filnet_uk
07/02/2007, 22:36
I've with some interest looked at this new O/S that Micr0$oft have to offer and I must say from a "business" point of view I and my employer (with some 2500+ desktops & laptops) will not be switching to Vi$ta anytime soon - for numerous reasons.
First of all most of our apps have only recently been certified for use with XP by many of the suppliers (well they said if you get a fault on XP and can replicate it on 2000 then we'll look into it). When I joined the organisation 4 yrs ago they still had hundreds of Windows 3.11 terminals. We are still getting rid of out NT4 machines and this is due to be completed by the end of march this year once our Control Centre gets it's new kit installed (unless I get snowed in).
Our Anti virus package would need an upgrade as we only did this last year, our disk encryption software does not support Vi$ta unless we upgrade it and all laptops that have a connection to our network must be encrypted otherwise they can not leave the various premises which means us tech's won't get it anytime soon (although we can have it as a virtual machine for testing). I also doubt that our Port Management software will support Vi$ta without an upgrade - all of this will cost us more ££ which can be better spent elsewhere.
Plus the whole licensing & activation model is a joke, we have 5000 activations to cover our 2500 machines (2 per machine) so we have the option of allowing each PC to talk back to Micr0$oft or install a KMS server to do the local activation then let it talk back to M$ to keep them updated - more ££.
Plus there's the whole imaging thing to think of. We build a base image with the apps for a particular area, cleanse it (a process similar to sysprep) then create an image. We therefore have various "images" for various parts of the business as well as different hardware types. We use the RIS Service to launch Ghost to enable us to image the PC's (yes we have 2500 client licence for Ghost - cost a fortune). Now when you take into account that a base Vi$ta image would be "around 2GB compressed and often 5 GB once deployed" (MS TechNet Magazine Jan 2007) by the time you stick on Office (not 2007 as it's - well simply horrible) plus our custom apps were looking at around 4 gb compressed (and we don't compress images as it slows down the whole deployment of an image back to a PC). This really starts to eat into the image server's disk space so it would need upgrading = more ££
So based on these few items going to Vi$ta is a non starter unless there is a "killer app" that we as an organisation must have - and it's unlikely this will happen in the next 3 - 5 years (unless the boss says we have to in which case he can fork out the ££ for development time etc).
As you can see going to Vista when you are as large as we are (and we are small compared to some organisations) we simply cant spend the ££ we'd need to. Sure we can ask for it in next years budget but with all the stuff that's going on at the moment the ££ will be spent elsewhere (merging/convergence ot networks and entities etc).
Well this is my 2 cents worth on Vi$ta - now don't get me wrong I'm not saying going Vi$ta is a bad thing (after all I could have it now through work as part of "the job"), for a home user who gets it on a new PC or for someone who wants something specific like Media Centre then Vi$ta is probably the only way to go (you must use DVI outputs otherwise the quality of DRM protected media is reduced - thanks Micr0$oft). Mind you, you could always inject a little fun back into computing and "do-it-with-opensource". For those who want to get on the bandwagon or simply must purchase the latest M$ operating system (yes I too was like this purchasing Win95 & Plus as well as Win98 on release days) - slow down, step back and look to see if that outlay is really worth what your getting for it ?
If you want a decent browser there are many on offer, I prefer Firefox 2 and IMHO it's much better than IE (even IE7 has issues with websites), most people already have an Anti Virus package as well as a software based firewall and pretty much most ADSL routers these days act as SPI firewalls.
I'm happy to stick with XP until 2014 when product support will be withdrawn - then maybe I'll upgrade to V1$ta ;)
Phil.
What makes me laugh Phil is how MS release a new O/S but are still regularly having to update holes in winxp. I am due a free vista update for my new laptop business version so it will give me a chance to evaluate a so called final version although we know from experience nothing from MS is a final version lol. But we techies do like to play hehe!
Bob
I am trying out Vista: Nero runs ok, version 7 something, my scanner doesn't work as I can't find any drivers for it yet in Vista. Some software doesn't run but I'm looking for alternatives. But as I say, I am only trying it for now
Vista seems to have got something right....it seems its very choosy about which ISP it connects with:D
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/-/2/hi/technology/6407925.stm
Cliff:)
Vista seems to have got something right....it seems its very choosy about which ISP it connects with:D
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/-/2/hi/technology/6407925.stm
Cliff:)
Haha, like it! :D
I have WINDOWS VISTA (ultimate) and really like all the new features, even if they have been stolen from APPLE MACS! :p
Can we not have a VISTA sub-forum since this is the XP forum? Thanks
Good Idea,
we could always hijack the windows 95 forum its never been used
:)
I've tried Vista Enterprise and Ultimate, and to be honest, I didn't think that much of it. The only thing I found that I liked better than XP, is that it gives each application it's own volume slider in the tray (volume). Other than that. Not much to offer. Having said that, I can't see much else an OS can offer over what XP already does. It's just an OS, it offers I/O, a filesystem, networking and so on.....
I would rather use Suse or Ubuntu than Vista, and frequently do.
Couple it with a compositing window manager ala, Beryl/Compiz, and you can blow Vista's "Aero" out of the water.
Regards Terry.
Been using on a dual boot XP64 and Vista RC2 in 32bit since about August last year. A lot more drivers are available than XP64, but still have not found a dial up modem to work with either and have to install XP Pro or win 98se.
Fugi 601z camera wont have it either, should accept as mass storage and no amount of driver fiddling works, same with some multi card readers, the Aerocool one works though. Certain widely used software dont run either, need Nero 7 or above needed, Incredimail wont have it but surprisingly an old Epson printer from 2000 straight in.
Best thing about Vista Ultimate is the integration of pictures, tv, video, sound etc making it ideal to replace the HDD video recorder, there again this puter dont even need to switched on to do that.
Software and hardware maufacturers are too slow to come up with updates, there were only three digi tv cards that were compatible with Vista in 32bit, even less in 64 bit.
Other than that not fond of it but sooner or later will have to change and use permanently.
Been using on a dual boot XP64 and Vista RC2 in 32bit since about August last year. A lot more drivers are available than XP64, but still have not found a dial up modem to work with either and have to install XP Pro or win 98se.
Fugi 601z camera wont have it either, should accept as mass storage and no amount of driver fiddling works, same with some multi card readers, the Aerocool one works though. Certain widely used software dont run either, need Nero 7 or above needed, Incredimail wont have it but surprisingly an old Epson printer from 2000 straight in.
Best thing about Vista Ultimate is the integration of pictures, tv, video, sound etc making it ideal to replace the HDD video recorder, there again this puter dont even need to switched on to do that.
Software and hardware maufacturers are too slow to come up with updates, there were only three digi tv cards that were compatible with Vista in 32bit, even less in 64 bit.
Other than that not fond of it but sooner or later will have to change and use permanently.
Switch to Mac... does all the above. Drivers problems are a thing of the past (Apple sorts that out).
less Hastle,less stress =more fun:D
Cliff:)
No intention of ever using it, dont like the look of IE7 so for me its a no no.
Regards,I have been using IE7 for many months now. It claims to have better security and I have had no probs as yet.
never use a new OS if you can help it. Even major bugs don't get sorted for months! I used to use NT 3.5 and NT 4.0 for many years. There were SIX Service Packs in its life time.
Thinking of installing VISTA in an old HD, mounted in an external caddy and plug into PCs USB 2 port.
Don't know if it will boot up that way! Any thoughts?
Just a word of warning here folks.
I installed vista ultimate on a separate partition on the same HD as winxp. Now, when I tried to do a repair of winxp yesterday I couldn't because of vista's file system. It, the winxp cd, had deemed the whole HD as bad, in that there were no visible partitions for winxp to see, as all it could see was one 165Gb HD with unrecognisable data or something. All my other partitions for data and programs were gone, and so I have had to start all over again.
Luckily I have data backups so nothing major has been lost.
yes, I have also come across these kind of problems when trying to run different operating systems from the same HD. Then found a program called Partition Magic. With this installed and setup, I was able to choose, at boot up, between Novell Netware, Win NT 4, Win 95 and Linux. May be they now have a version that work also with VISTA
External/internal caddies for HDs that I am thinking of using are available for around £12 from retailers such as eBuyer. With 2.5" HDs, just one USB cable to connect. 2.5" HDs take power from the USB port. 3.5" HDs need more current. So caddies for them come with a separate PSU.
I have version 8 of PM, and it also that which said my whole HD was bad and it could not determine any of the partitions I had on that HD.
If I ever install vista again it will be on a separate drive so it can't touch anything else! What you are thinking of sounds just fine for me also, as I have a 30Gb drive sitting doing nothing so I think that might be a good idea.
13Jackal
25/03/2007, 14:25
if you've an nVidia motherboard (nForce chipset of any description) and use Vista - do NOT update your SATA/IDE drivers - especially as part of a windows update. Doing so makes Vista think you've a whole new computer and kindly deactivates it for you - and no, you can't reactivate it without going through the rigmorole of phoning MS and whinging at them. Gotta love Vista :(
I'm never going to try Vista either since most, if not all software I use won't be compatiable with it. If/when I am made to have a radical operating system upgrade that forces me to buy a new machine then it will be a Mac not a PC.
I've played with a couple of distributions of Linux myself and they are okay, but I really wouldn't say they are ready for the typical windows user. The Linux people say you can do anything you want with the software; this is true, but you can't do it very quickly and most tasks tends to take far greater number of clicks or command lines to achieve than it does in windows. I found a really good article on different flavours of Unix Operating Systems for anyone that is interested: CLICK HERE (http://www.techsupportalert.com/review-linux-for-windows-users.htm)
My feeling is that Linux just isn't quite there yet in terms of providing 1 flavour that is also secure, has a windows like feel, includes an automatic updater (that does it well, rather than badly) and has an extensive range of applications that work with it. Thats just my opinion!
I have tried various flavours of Linux, but usually coming back to Mandrake or Mandriva as it is now, but even now I still can't do in linux what i can in windows. There is a very steep learning curve for Linux, and after about 2 years of playing around etc I am only about a quarter of the way up that curve. When I tried Mandriva, some of my hardware was not recognised and my soundcard would not play, so I eventually gave up, and don't think I'll bother with it again.
As for Vista, no, not all of my software will run on it either, so I won't be re installing that for sometime yet.
I'm never going to try Vista either since most, if not all software I use won't be compatiable with it. If/when I am made to have a radical operating system upgrade that forces me to buy a new machine then it will be a Mac not a PC.
I've played with a couple of distributions of Linux myself and they are okay, but I really wouldn't say they are ready for the typical windows user. The Linux people say you can do anything you want with the software; this is true, but you can't do it very quickly and most tasks tends to take far greater number of clicks or command lines to achieve than it does in windows. I found a really good article on different flavours of Unix Operating Systems for anyone that is interested: CLICK HERE (http://www.techsupportalert.com/review-linux-for-windows-users.htm)
My feeling is that Linux just isn't quite there yet in terms of providing 1 flavour that is also secure, has a windows like feel, includes an automatic updater (that does it well, rather than badly) and has an extensive range of applications that work with it. Thats just my opinion!
Try Mac.....I have been using it for over a year on a Macbookpro. its intel based, so i can use bootcamp to dual boot to windows XP. Have i tryed dual booting?...NO. Its that good i don't see the point.
So think hard......and move to the Mac:D
Cliff:)
Darkmaul
12/06/2007, 13:10
I'm not even going to consider upgrading to Vista until SP1 is released.
I actually quite like IE7 - I've been using it since the first Beta version. I do have Firefox installed as a fallback though.
I'm going to downalod safari from www.apple.com/safari To use as my web browser on my Win Xp Pro machine.
I also quite like IE7. But not upgrading to Vista until they have all the probs sorted maybe sp1 or sp2 when it comes out.
I got Vista Business ed for free for Microsoft cause I'm an MCP student Installed and asked for trouble lol.
Failing Sp1 or SP2 I think i might make the move to Mac Leopard :p Which is really cool does what you want it to do.
The Villan
23/07/2007, 22:06
My wife uses removablle hard disks for each operating system. She is a translator and has to work with various operating systems and different versions of Office.
This was the best thing since sliced bread. I would never try to put different operating systems on the same hard disk again.
That was about 3 years ago and I have never had a problem with her since. Before that it was a nightmare.
Well Im loading Vista Ultimate 64bit later tonight as I had my second 2gb Ballistix RAM delivered today (4gb in total now). I have used Vista before I liked it so fingers crossed for later :)
Well Im loading Vista Ultimate 64bit later tonight as I had my second 2gb Ballistix RAM delivered today (4gb in total now). I have used Vista before I liked it so fingers crossed for later :)
Good luck in getting all your drivers to work in the 64Bit version, Vista 64 bit driver support stinks. :(
I've already checked and all the drivers and app's I need are out, but thanks for the good luck though ;)
All installed on a raid 0 setup :D 4gb RAM and it flys!!
WoohOO
Mart
Rainmaker
27/07/2007, 19:15
I migrated completely to Linux last year, and never looked back. For those who said it's still not desktop ready, I have to disagree. It doesn't have a Windows feel, that's true - but hey, it's not Windows!
Gnome and KDE are intuitive enough for the average Windows Joe to get the hang of it in a few clicks. In Ubuntu (Feisty), PCLinuxOS, Mint and a few others you just install and go. Codecs are already in place in PCLOS and Mint (not so in Windows), and even in Buntu they're two mouse clicks away in Automatix2.
For fun, I've had various friends and family play in Linux, using Ubuntu and PCLOS, and even a guy who'd never USED a PC before managed to install Linux, get online and watch videos.
I wouldn't ever go back to Window$, Linux has it all for me. It's true that some distros are more user friendly than others (even SUSE, slick as it is, needs a fair bit of rigmarole to set up the codecs, libdvdcss etc), but with the likes of PCLOS, Mint and Buntu you're just away.
Heck even my girlfriend's kids got a PC for xmas last year, said they wanted "the same as me" (they like the look of my linux desktop). I duly let them loose with a Live CD (PCLOS 2007 iirc). An hour later, they were watching Greenday on Youtube - they'd installed to the HD, set it up and started to play around, and the eldest is only 9!!
You guys still on vista wow Ive moved onto dos 10.1 come on lets get with the program :)
Rain maker I use Fedora when Im not playing games on my windows box, and if those doubt linux/Unix Enta is run on FreeBSD mention Windows to Steve in the operations center you better run fast, real fast.
Rainmaker
28/07/2007, 06:07
You guys still on vista wow Ive moved onto dos 10.1 come on lets get with the program :)
Rain maker I use Fedora when Im not playing games on my windows box, and if those doubt linux/Unix Enta is run on FreeBSD mention Windows to Steve in the operations center you better run fast, real fast.
I like Fedora, and the RH distros in general. I ran CentOS 4 and 5 for a while, tweaked as a multimedia desktop (wow, did I learn a LOT about hacking *nix and hand compiling source that week!! No click and run for mplayer or java on RHEL!).
Fedora Core 6 was decent, and I liked it on my ethernet box. However it wouldn't play nice with my wifi (atheros/madwifi based chipset) but I believe Fedora 7 has fixed this, adding the ubiquitous NetworkManager with wifi drivers. Only problem is, the Fedora 7 CD won't boot past the grub screen on my machine! I've verified the checksum, it's a good CD, the thing just doesn't like my PC :(
Still, I'm happy enough with Ubuntu (deb is so much faster than RPM, with the possible exception of PCLOS's RPM synaptic and one or two others). Freespire looks interesting, and for those who mentioned such things earlier in the thread, it really DOES have a Windows feel, and ALL codecs and encrypted DVDs work out of the box (even Windows doesn't have that!). But again, some small problems with wifi - maybe I didn't have wpa_supplicant installed, as open wifi connects fine on the live CD.
At any rate, any form of *nix will beat the **** out of Windoze any day of the week, all for the grand sum of free :D JMHO.
I found when I had problems booting with Fedora it was my IDE cable that was problem, replaced it and whey they you go, I've play with Deb and Ubuntu didnt really like them, I think Suse 10.* is a great system but it was little to much for my old PC I run linux on so now I run fedora on it, I do use freeBSD and played with Desktop BSD which is rather good as well, Linux is a learning curve but once you got the basics its not so bad, and the important thing is that you never really stop learning linux, where as windows is well windows.
Linux is a server and desktop straight outta the box, and only takes bit googling and one decent book Linux + book is good, Windows take 8 books and in the end the best way to repair windows is format C: ;)
Rainmaker
28/07/2007, 10:10
I found when I had problems booting with Fedora it was my IDE cable that was problem, replaced it and whey they you go, I've play with Deb and Ubuntu didnt really like them, I think Suse 10.* is a great system but it was little to much for my old PC I run linux on so now I run fedora on it, I do use freeBSD and played with Desktop BSD which is rather good as well, Linux is a learning curve but once you got the basics its not so bad, and the important thing is that you never really stop learning linux, where as windows is well windows.
The PC is almost brand new and other distros have loaded fine, so I'm not sure about the IDE cable idea. Who knows?
OpenSuse 10.2 was great when I installed and tested it out - very polished. But even following "Hack OpenSuse 10.2" I couldn't get encrypted DVDs to play (even with libdvdcss2 installed). Shame, as everything else worked a charm.
I'd happily play with Fedora 7 if it worked, it seems nice in VM.
Linux is a server and desktop straight outta the box, and only takes bit googling and one decent book Linux + book is good, Windows take 8 books and in the end the best way to repair windows is format C: ;)
Or better yet;
# dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda bs=1M
# linux install
:p
Rainmaker
28/07/2007, 14:49
All together now; DOH!!
I went to install the Fedora 7 live cd I have, inside a VirtualBox virtual machine. It all ran fine (unlike on my real PC), until a popup appeared to the effect of "CAUTION - this is pre-release beta software, do you wish to proceed?"
Ooohhhh NOW I remember... The disc was a beta live CD. That explains the glitch in my PC not booting with that live cd, then! So I downloaded the real (current) Fedora 7 final, and voila. I'm typing this post from it now, having installed it to the read HD of the previously troublesome PC.
It's MUCH faster than previous Fedora offerings, great artwork, AND despite having to click and download madwifi, my Atheros based Netgear wireless is working A-OK first time with NetworkManager.
Super! I'm gonna keep it on this machine, I still have Ubuntu upstairs if needs must. Just finished adding MP3, Flash, Java, DVD etc. Seems good so far! Just thought I'd add an update. I'll shut up now, this Vista thread is getting severely hijacked (sorry!).
Cheers,
Lee
Ubuntu Server + rtorrent via SSH = Heaven :)
Ubuntu Server + rtorrent via SSH = Heaven :)
:D:D:D:D:D
Lets start a new thread then entitled Linux/UNIX
Ojustabo
30/07/2007, 23:45
Good luck in getting all your drivers to work in the 64Bit version, Vista 64 bit driver support stinks. :(
A few months ago I would have agreed with you. But I now have it running with drivers for all my stuff
My Trust 1200 Graphics tab
Aver Media TV Card
Zboard gaming keyboard
Auzen X-Meridian sound card
Saitek X52 Pro joystick and rudder pedals
Saitek X45 Joystick
CH Products Pro pedals
HP Photosmart 3110 printer (printers on sons XP machine, Vista finds it and connects/prints 100% fine)
Dell 2407WFP monitor
New MB with full support for everything (sata, ethernet, fan control, temperature sensoring)
Vista's biggest downfall at present is Creatives driver and software support but there's still zero support for Creatives X-FI cards under Linux and this is going to remain so for some time .
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