Maybe time to start throttling P2P?

[PatJW]

I'm getting a bit fed up of my speeds going to the dogs as soon as the 10pm off-peak Torrent-bonanza time comes round.

I get my stuff from newsgroups as a rule and hardly p2p anything. Every night for the past month I'm lucky to get 200kbps on my 8mb connection when I try to pull something down, even if I switch centrals. I'm tired of having to gobble my 30gb allowance if I want anything at a reasonable speed.

Either ADSL24 are massively over-subscribed, or we are experiencing the symptoms of the usual super-noding selfish gits saturating the pipes with their stupid uploads/downloads timed to kick off at 10pm.

Sort it please.

[cloudy73]

What diff does is make when you ask to thottle p2p? You have said that you use Newsgroups ala giganews etc? So then you are also to blame in the same instance!

Why don't you stop using Newsgroups? Well I'll tell you why ;)

Like you I also use Newsgroup with Giganews and I get a good solid 6MB download speed, I tend to stay away from the 10pm slow down for a few hours then fire it up during the night.

I applaud ADSL24 for not port blocking - 10pm will always be an issue to some people who want decent speeds for what? Downloading??? Wait 2 hrs then start.

10pm is when torrents start, newsbin clients start - that is the way as its offpeak.

[Chipfatinasock]

I'm getting a bit fed up of my speeds going to the dogs as soon as the 10pm off-peak Torrent-bonanza time comes round.

I get my stuff from newsgroups as a rule and hardly p2p anything. Every night for the past month I'm lucky to get 200kbps on my 8mb connection when I try to pull something down, even if I switch centrals. I'm tired of having to gobble my 30gb allowance if I want anything at a reasonable speed.

Either ADSL24 are massively over-subscribed, or we are experiencing the symptoms of the usual super-noding selfish gits saturating the pipes with their stupid uploads/downloads timed to kick off at 10pm.

Sort it please.


http://theithacan.org/blogs/bigspoon/files/2007/11/crying_baby_rbby_92.jpg

[cloudy73]

Chipfatinasock,

I aint laughed soooo hard for a long time!!! :D:D:D:D:D

[the-bruce]

lol very funny :D

[PatJW]

I download maybe 1 or 2 things per night, via Easynews. I fail to see how I'm perpetuating speed problems by doing that, when some users are obviously queuing multiple torrent downloads/uploads and starting the lot off at 10pm while they go watch UFC or something.

Amusing pic, allow me to retort:

http://www.caveyourtrolls.com/img3.jpg

[cloudy73]

PatJw,

I know what your saying m8ty, but everyone knows at 10pm when it hits offpeak then the pipes take a small battering for a few hours.

If you can Q up your downloads for a few hours later you should be good.

I do the same and have no issues - Friday 10pm through the weekend is always gonna be busy at times.

Yes it does slow down I know but it aint that bad really.

[the-bruce]

PatJw,

I know what your saying m8ty, but everyone knows at 10pm when it hits offpeak then the pipes take a small battering for a few hours.

If you can Q up your downloads for a few hours later you should be good.

I do the same and have no issues - Friday 10pm through the weekend is always gonna be busy at times.

Yes it does slow down I know but it aint that bad really.


Hi m8, i might be going a bit off-topic here, but where aboots are you in sunny scotland ?

Brucey

[cloudy73]

The-Bruce


Sunny Irvine m8ty! :D

[the-bruce]

Lol n1 m8, i'm in Angus ;)

Brucey

[cloudy73]

The-bruce

Not to far away from Forfar I see..

What is it you nutters say over by - 'you wanna rummble like' :p

[Reines]

So wait let me get this, you want p2p throttled because people using it make you download from usenet slower? Maybe it's time to start throttling usenet, my p2p is going too slow.

What kind of traffic it is shouldn't make any difference as long as people are staying within their limits. If you feel things are going too slowly (Which I don't agree with, I rarely run into problems) then the question should be, should bandwidth limits be lowered, or more capacity added to the network, not should a certain protocol be throttled just because you personally don't happen to use it.

If any throttling of that kind is introduced im out of here ASAP just as a matter of principle, and I'm pretty sure it is not the kind of ISP ADSL24/Entanet are.

[cloudy73]

Wow, the Scot's are out the night!

[the-bruce]

Where i live is quite rural ....

You might have heard of grizzly adams, well thats my neighbour :)

He's getting on a bit nowadays, but its nice to meet yah m8, nice ..

Brucey

[Reines]

Wow, the Scot's are out the night!

:cool:

[Taff]

I download maybe 1 or 2 things per night, via Easynews. I fail to see how I'm perpetuating speed problems by doing that, when some users are obviously queuing multiple torrent downloads/uploads and starting the lot off at 10pm while they go watch UFC or something.

Amusing pic, allow me to retort:

http://www.caveyourtrolls.com/img3.jpg

Ok where did u get that photo of me?

And for the record, isnt usenet a form of p2p? oh silly me people only use usenet for text feeds dont they ;)

[PatJW]

Usenet is nothing like p2p. Last time I checked I've never clogged my pipe with both upload and download paths running to capacity concurrently.

I don't torrent. I class myself as a moderate user and as a moderate user I am suffering sub-standard service because of a small minority of users that insist on saturating available bandwidth from 10pm until the wee hours of the morning. Why should Enta add more centrals to combat speed issues?

They'd just be catering to selfish users who would be all "thank you very much!" as they grab that bandwidth for their p2p stuff too, leaving joe average in a no better situation than before.

We all pay the same fees and I don't think it is unreasonable to expect half-decent download speeds whatever time I grab something off the net. As it stands, I pretty much know for a fact I'll be waiting ages for a file if I even think about trying after 10pm. The only people I expect to see trolling and naysaying in this thread are torrent junkies. If you must post, please have something constructive to say about tackling the problem. As it is I'm thinking about migrating.

[Taff]

Bottom line mate, i dont think it is possible to stop. Reason saying that is everyone will come up with the same argument, "i pay for it, so i use it as i see fit as I'm entitled to all the bandwidth i pay for"

Shame yes, but still the case

[Chipfatinasock]

Usenet is nothing like p2p. Last time I checked I've never clogged my pipe with both upload and download paths running to capacity concurrently.

I don't torrent. I class myself as a moderate user and as a moderate user I am suffering sub-standard service because of a small minority of users that insist on saturating available bandwidth from 10pm until the wee hours of the morning. Why should Enta add more centrals to combat speed issues?

They'd just be catering to selfish users who would be all "thank you very much!" as they grab that bandwidth for their p2p stuff too, leaving joe average in a no better situation than before.

We all pay the same fees and I don't think it is unreasonable to expect half-decent download speeds whatever time I grab something off the net. As it stands, I pretty much know for a fact I'll be waiting ages for a file if I even think about trying after 10pm. The only people I expect to see trolling and naysaying in this thread are torrent junkies. If you must post, please have something constructive to say about tackling the problem. As it is I'm thinking about migrating.



http://www.groupii.com/mcparty/images/KidsParty.jpg

[Reines]

They'd just be catering to selfish users who would be all "thank you very much!" as they grab that bandwidth for their p2p stuff too, leaving joe average in a no better situation than before.
Why are you in a different category though? Usenet uses bandwidth, just like torrents do, how much totally depends on what is being downloaded? Why does someone downloading a torrent make them selfish, though you downloading something from usenet makes you "Joe Average"?

"Joe Average" wouldn't even be having this discussion because they wouldn't be using either usenet or torrents and wouldn't notice a difference in the speed of browsing.

[David]

omg chipfatinasock is on fire in this thread. :D
I use Usenet to, everyone is entitled to use what they pay for. I don't have any problems with the 10pm slowdown, probably because I'm on office so I get in there at 8pm and grab what I might need that night. I'd prefer to go watch something or play some xbox whilst it's a little slower.

[artyman]

As has been said others would take the view that they are only using what was advertised and they pay for. Whether this behaviour can be considered selfish is another matter. Perhaps a solution would be to adjust the allowances and peak times. Say increase the normal download slightly and move the peak start time to midnight. I presume these huge downloads can be scheduled, so why not schedule it for say 2am. What are these massive amounts of download that people are using anyway???

[buster1967]

Reines 2 very good posts.How the hell can you moan on when you use Usenet is it true you d/l whatever you want and you dont upload anything back i could be wrong.

All the same if you are not happy you know what to do, but i doubt you will see much improvement and you will get a lot less allowance per month from other ISP's.

I dont get very good speeds not just on the weekends but anytime BUT i get an allowance from ADSL24 of 345 GB per month which outways the not so good d/l speeds.

You say you get 200kbps well that personally isnt that bad of a d/l speed considering.

[DJGuardy]

So far this weekends been b****y good :)

[multisync666]

I joined ADSL24 because of throttling.So why would i want to go back to the bad isp's days.Pipex, Bt Tiscali etc.You only have to go to the DSL Zone to see what others say about there provider.So it takes a hit from 10 to 12, but on the whole the service is fine.Any large downloads i schedule to do in the early hours.I assume people joined ADSL24 because of throttling and bad service.So be thankfull that you have not had to endure a provider like Pipex. I had to till my contract was up

[clobryn]

Let’s be fair guys!! ok we get some slow down but look at the usage allowance we get don’t see this with another IP for £19.99 and got to say the customer service is second to none

[tboorman]

Folks,

Please refrain from making personal insults (verbal or otherwise) - everyone is entitled to their opinions. Thank you.

[nixon]

I wonder just how much of this P2P usage is actually illegal? TBH I have no idea but I'm willing to bet that the majority of P2P traffic is a bit dodgy.

Technically these statements should in theory drop the p2p usage:

5.6 In addition to Clause 5.5, you agree that you will not use, and will take all necessary precautions to ensure that nobody else uses, the Services and/or the Equipment:

(a) fraudulently or in connection with any criminal offence;


Illegal Use

The use of this service for illegal purposes is prohibited.

Copyright Infringement

All material published must be owned by the publisher or the appropriate releases must have been obtained prior to publishing. Entanet will co-operate with all agencies attempting to assert their rights in these matters.

If this was ever enforced the 10pm slow down would flatten out a bit I'm sure!

In my experience I don't experience any slow down at 10pm - I chose the Office package which helps and also any big downloads get scheduled for some early hour whilst I am asleep. Im a gamer - as long as i get a few K a second I'm happy :)

[NiftyWolfie]

How would you be able to tell illegal P2P usage from legal P2P usage ??

[TransConAnt]

I wonder just how much of this P2P usage is actually illegal? TBH I have no idea but I'm willing to bet that the majority of P2P traffic is a bit dodgy.



What is wrong with people?
P2P so what!
Unless you are a business perhaps you should not be allowed to use an ADSL24 Office product? :cool:
As far as I can see, you pay your money and do what you do... :cool:
As long as you are not trying to hurt anyone, download all you want.
I think that ISP's like ADSL24 are brilliant in their transparency at a time when it seems like the opposite is more the normal way of doing things. :rolleyes:
No port blocking etc. And for the monthly charge, very reasonable too! :cool:

Perhaps Virgin/BT/Talk Talk are the way to go? It's unlimited with them! :D

Have a good one ;)

[yorkie]

What is wrong with people?
P2P so what!
Unless you are a business perhaps you should not be allowed to use an ADSL24 Office product? :cool:
As far as I can see, you pay your money and do what you do... :cool:
As long as you are not trying to hurt anyone, download all you want.
I think that ISP's like ADSL24 are brilliant in their transparency at a time when it seems like the opposite is more the normal way of doing things. :rolleyes:
No port blocking etc. And for the monthly charge, very reasonable too! :cool:

Perhaps Virgin/BT/Talk Talk are the way to go? It's unlimited with them! :D

Have a good one ;)



There is nothing wrong with people, like you there are paying for a service and everybody is entitled to the highest speed their line can carry,

yorkie.

[KevinB]

Coming in late to this thread, but my $0.02:

One of the main reasons people like myself migrate to ADSL24 is the generous bandwidth allowance and the lack of port blocking/traffic shaping. In return we know we are limited to 10pm to 8am to do our thing. When researching a new ISP I came across ADSL24 and without looking for it came across the information explaining that because of the way traffic is handled to ensure "a fair crack" for everyone, there will undoubtedly be some drop off in speed from 10pm to about 1-1:30am.

Your average Joe will be web browsing etc, not torrenting or P2P and so should hardly notice a drop in speed; I know that when I'm not using P2P in peak time I notice no speed drop or increased latency (which is what really matters to Joe Public, the perception of speed as opposed to the numerical value provided by speedtest.net.)

This is the trade-off that P2P folks accept. We get huge bandwidth allowances, but can only sensibly download between 10pm and 8am and during that busy slot from 10-1:30 we can only run at about 50% speed. To me that's quite fair and if you are not a downloader and require an instant 8Mb 24/7/365 then of course there are other ISP's better suited to your needs.

When I was with Demon we used to have similar arguments about so-called fair usage policies on the Demon newsgroups; according to some "extremists" anyone managing to use their overall 60GB limit before hitting the FUP was effectively shafting the system and should be hanged for using twice what "fair share" entitled them to. I hope we don't end up having similar conversations here.

Finally, let me turn the argument on its head and see how that flies:

I'm getting really cheesed off at having to limit my daytime P2P usage just so that othert people can use their connections a little faster during the day for business. It's about time businesses were throttled during the day so that I can make better use of my allowance.

Yup, I know that's ridiculous. But it's how the "throttle P2P" argument sounds from the other side of the fence.

I think that what ADSL24/Enta do at the moment is a fair compromise between downloaders and mainstream users. Please don't tinker with it ADSL24.

[yorkie]

Kevin if you are replying to my previous post explain to me where I have mentioned throttling, I have never been against anybody downloading but I am getting tired of people getting jumped on when they complain about speed, as I have already stated they pay the same price as anybody else,

Offpeak at the weekend is not about just a couple of hours is it,


yorkie.

[baccre]

Forgive me but I had to make my 2 pence known thus I've just registered :).

I migrated to ADSL24 at the end of last month fully expecting problems during off-peak times, that said I must admit I'm quite impressed so far. I'm not a heavy P2P user but I (as others) frequently download from Usenet, obviously waiting till off-peak to begin downloading.

So far (that's just about 2 weeks) I've hit 800 KBps quite easily during peak and off-peak. I'm not exaggerating in any way - I often monitor the central status and I find that it closely mimics my download throughput in that when the central status goes red for example my download speed usually drops a few hundred KBps.

That said I don't expect to suffer speeds less than 400 KBps and for the most part I haven't had to. This past weekend I did have problems but I believe that to be due to SNR margin issues (dropped well below 6 db and the router won't drop the sync speed to compensate).

So in summary, I don't know why others seem to be having great difficulty during off-peak but I thought I'd stick my head out from the crowd by saying that ADSL24 is extremely valuable at £19.99/month.

(I have experienced Demon ADSL too, while I can reach 600-700 KBps it requires multiple streams... and then there's the FUP... )

[KevinB]

No Yorkie, not a specific response to your comments (except possibly for the tongue-in-cheek italicised bit) but merely my own thoughts on the general debate.

As to the weekend, I haven't done a particularly detailed look at it but all I can say is that whenever I look at the central status page on a weekend, it's not often that it drops too far. This weekend in fact, according to noc.enta.net, there were only a couple of very short periods when the traffic went up to max and would have caused speeds to drop.

I wonder how much of the speed drops are down to exchange/BT congestion as opposed to Enta? I have no idea myself but as my experience closely matches that of baccre I do have to wonder since if I'm not doing P2P I can almost always hit 6-700KBps on a single file download.

[hornedrat]

well never to be outdone when it comes to ranting but frankly what is the original starters issue, he clearly is downloading illegal stuff off newsgroups, dont tell me its linux distro's very few people actually do that many installs they do 2 or 3 a night.

he wants to throttle p2p because he can't break the law fast enough. Fine if that is the case ban all newsgroups/p2p people and while i am it ban all people who use the bbc iplayer and any other video streaming as that slows the connections.

Or better still why don't we simply accept that people have the right to use their bandwidth any way they want and accept that at 10pm it will be slow I never have any problems at 3am so why doesn't our friend start his blatant pirating at 3am and stop moaning!



Rant over!!

[TransConAnt]

There is nothing wrong with people, like you there are paying for a service and everybody is entitled to the highest speed their line can carry,

yorkie.

That is precisely my point! :)

[PatJW]

Ok, let me put it in simpler terms for the " challenged" people on this forum:

After 10pm until all hours of the morning, my speeds are crap. I get 120-180kbps - if I'm lucky, on a connection that usually performs at 800kbps prior to 10pm (using my premium peak bandwidth that is).

I am not happy with this.

No, I don't expect off-peak speeds to be the same as peak, but if I wanted 2mb speeds I'd pay for a 2mb package. Exchange congestion isn't the issue when the common denominator is the start of the coincidental free-for-all 10pm off-peak download bonanza supplied by my ISP.

What does the stuff I download have to do with anything? I can download inter-species donkey-monkey porn if I want, it's no-one's business but mine. Whatever I download, I have a right to be dissatisfied when a small minority are OBVIOUSLY making my speeds go to the crapper by saturating the pipes.

In closing, this forum needs better moderation. The amount of people getting their backs up and being insulting smarmy smartarses, posting pictures and the like is beyond belief. It reflects badly on Entanet that a CUSTOMER SERVICE FORUM, where you're supposed to be able to air a concern, is populated by juvenile trolls and shit-stirrers that are apparently allowed to derail threads and post whatever they like with no repercussions.

Sort that out while you're sorting the "mine! mine! its' all mine!" bandwidth-hoggers.

[baccre]

So eh, it's coming up to eleven - I started downloading about half past ten and noticed the speed was fluctuating between 300 - 700 KBps (the central status was red/black so to be expected). It has now levelled off between 500 - 700 KBps.

I can live with that, hth.

- Just read the post above, something is wrong there because... my download is touching 700 KBps as I write this!

[NiftyWolfie]

personaly I think you need to just stop moaning. I download plenty and never see much of a fall in speeds. I'm also on the office package so I can have extra bandwidth and a longer off peak. And yes I intend to use what I pay for or at least as much as I can be bothered to use.

As many people would say you can always leave if your unhappy, no one is forcing you to stay

[hornedrat]

What you download does make a difference, too many people moan about there speeds cause other people are doing p2p or whatever, when the truth is they only want to commit acts of copyright violation themselves.

Thats like complaining about handgun laws meaning i can't go around shooting people or that speed limits are unfair because if the minority didn't have accidents then i could speed without having them camera's taking my picture

for the pipes to be bad doesn't require a minority it requires a substantial number of users, so unlikely to be the fault of a small minority.

as this is a CUSTOMER SERVICE FORUM and i am a customer (you can be on here and not be a customer as well) i am as much entitled to my opinion as anyone else (included people who want port throttling debate is good)! And my opinion is that the service is fine as it is.

I knew what i was getting when i signed up and if i didn't like it then i am free to go and join another ISP.

ADSL and Enta do a sterling job and frankly i think people should give up moaning about speeds, if you need speed that much then you need to think about getting a far more expensive specialist line, this is a home service that offers very good value for money.

Of course what they could do to ensure speeds is give everybody a 4gb max on-peak and a 10 gb off peak allowance, that would stop the downloaders from using their connections heavily.

Or we could scrap the offpeak and just have say 350gb a month which would ensure that there was no off-peak rush, instead it would be bad all day everyday.

as they say in my job you pays ya money and makes ya choice.

and Yes I download sometime lots, sometimes not a lot dependant upon what is available (normally custome items for Dawn of War and Rfactor) and I just schedule it for later in the night say 12 and let the computer do its thing while i sleep rather then waiting for it to happen.

I am getting over 400 on my mod download as we speak and that is my full connection.

[PatJW]

tl:dr

[baccre]

Ditto @ hornedrat.

There must be other factors involved resulting in their poor speeds.

Quite frankly anything around and above 3 Mbps would suit me fine all day long and I'd be very happy @ £19.99/m even if the line is "up to" 8 Mbps simply due to the allowance of 300GB o/p.

[PatJW]

personaly I think you need to just stop moaning


K, yes, thank you for your fascinating insight and stellar contribution to the debate. Personally, I think you shouldn't let my rantings distract you any further from your dungeons & dragons and gothgurl fetishes. Have a nice day. :)

[NiftyWolfie]

Translation: F u jack, I'm alright. Ya don't like it? Sod off.

K, yes, thank you for your fascinating insight and stellar contribution to the debate. Personally, I think you shouldn't let my rantings distract you any further from your dungeons & dragons and gothgurl fetishes. Have a nice day. :)

Don't worry you haven't distracted me from anything, downloads still running while I sit here and use the forum. And I'm still getting good speeds. :D

[hornedrat]

didn't or couldn't??

earlier and i quote "If you must post, please have something constructive to say about tackling the problem."

Someone takes the time to comment and because it is not agreeing with you you act the troll, the sooner this thread is closed the better, it has become a clear cut case of someone wanting it all his own way the same as the other threads on this topic.

There are no easy solutions, this gets debated at least once a month and frankly it is time that the moderators locked every thread started about the 10pm slow down as it is getting boring that people who are commiting illegal acts (and yes downloading donkey/monkey inter species porn is both illegal and violating the terms and conditions of the enta system) are only prepared to accept there viewpoint and resort to having to throw slang insults because they are unable to have a sensible debate.

and sorry this is long but then so is my phone line :)

[hornedrat]

Translation: F u jack, I'm alright. Ya don't like it? Sod off.

K, yes, thank you for your fascinating insight and stellar contribution to the debate. Personally, I think you shouldn't let my rantings distract you any further from your dungeons & dragons and gothgurl fetishes. Have a nice day. :)


and your last 2 contributions have been stellar!

Please kindly refrain as said earlier from personal insults!

[PatJW]

Are you a moderator? Why should I bother, when you get called a moaner, whiner and sundry other nuggets of iWisdom from a bunch of trolls populating a board that is supposed to be a customer service forum?

When in Rome and all that...

Besides, what business is it of yours? Do stop posturing and lecturing about illegal downloads and stuff. I suggest you Wikipedia "sarcasm" before you attempt to quote "inter-species donkey-monkey porn" at me again. Are you really that obtuse and naive?

Is there a user ignore feature on this forum? Maybe you should call round Nifty's place and swap some dragon stories and goth porn or something, seems as you have the same homepage and all. You're not wanted here. Stop posting in my thread thanks.

[gilly]

i can understand people's arguments in the whole Topic , To be honest there is alot of other ISP 's which are Alot Worser than ADSL

have been with ADSL for awile now have Always known that 10 pm as always been a bad time to start d/l so i start at 12 pm and yes i do go into my peak allowance and yes i do pay for a service which ADSL/enta as Provided a great service which goes hands down ;),,,

its not just P2P whats to blame here btw ,

FTP
normal http
online gaming
BT <<<< :)

the list goes on on on

if you do migrate away good luck i hope you choose find better ISP than ADSL me been with about 4 so far and to be honest have had TOP NOTCH Service

[hornedrat]

nope I like this thread, after all when in Rome.... (nice city by the way, very spiritual.. i digress happens when you lecture ya know)

you seem obsessed with dragons and goths?? something you want to share perhaps???

And yes i am naive never seen any donkey/monkey porn in my life (now that is irony..... feel free to use it (and that is sarcasm....))

wow you have a user look up feature, maybe you should read my other posts and then comment on why we have the same home page...

do you have a reply about the methods of controlling the speed problems at 10 or are you just going to keep trying to insult people?

you keep referring to a customer service forum?? Where is it called that? and customer service would be better dealt with by a ticket, this is a general forum for the users. you also posted in the wrong section as you don't have a broadband problem per se but then you are always right so....... (more sarcasm..)

[PatJW]

Website address:

http://www.adsl24.co.uk/forum

Forum title:

Broadband problems? (3 Viewing)
If you are having problems please let us know.

Right. So let me get this straight then:

I'm having issues that are severely affecting my dl speeds after 10pm, but I am posting in a customer service forum that is allegedly not an actual customer service forum (but is, in fact, evidently a playground sandpit for spiteful self-righteous people such as yourself), in the "wrong" section of said forum (see: BROADBAND PROBLEMS? IF YOU ARE HAVING PROBLEMS PLEASE LET US KNOW) because my speeds being crap, when everyone else's is hunky-dory, isn't a problem at all and I shouldn't let ADSL24 know about them, even though they ask me to. In the forum title.

I guess it's all just a product of my delusions. No doubt inspired by brain-rot courtesy of my implied addiction to swigging Sunny-D and stylin' my Burberry baseball caps in the mirror, while meticulously planning the distribution of my next social security giro, obtained "at the post office". Hmm, maybe a night down the park? with Chantelle-Leanne and 5 bottles of White Lightning? Result! I'll find someone to fight with afterwards too.

You are disgusting. Feel free to return the favour if you wish, but I've reported your post for abuse. Swinging sarcastic digs at the links from your homepage is one thing, accusing people of being unemployed doley's is another. Maybe you can move on to questioning the sexual orientation of my immediate ancestors, then segue into my wife's profession. Dem's always good for giggles. You can polish it all off with a well-turned death threat.

Regardless, do have a nice day.

[JamesL]

Right.
Cut it with the kiddish behaviour (insults,language etc).

Final, and only warning.

Thank you.

[dumfriesDik]

Dumfries here....but you might have guessed that!

[GhostRider]

Don,t mess with the Scots,,,,you have been warned...lol go on my son.

[Taff]

ROFL, Where I been i missed all this!

Its sunny outside, weather is great and people arguing on a FORUM.

Where do I sign up? Its ok James I wont get TOO carried away as you usually know me for :D

[NiftyWolfie]

yes but at midnight last night it wasn't sunny........

[Taff]

yes but at midnight last night it wasn't sunny........

It was somewhere in the world mate :)

[NiftyWolfie]

very true

[KevinB]

OK, trying to get back to some kind of sensible discussion here.

Pat, you say that you're only getting 120-180kbps from 10 until whenever. There is obviously some kind of problem causing this but since a lot of others are reporting that their speeds don't drop anywhere nearly as badly as that (I don't think mine has ever dropped below 350-400kbps) I really do think that there must be other factors at work here aside from the 10pm gimmegimme rush.

We all know that BT's network is crud. Until the 21CN rollout is complete (yeah, right) we're still using 1950's technology and even then, 21CN will be out of date before it's finished.

As I said a couple of pages back before the egesta hit the air current generator I reckon that as well as the 10pm off peak hit, you're also suffering from exchange congestion over which neither Enta or any other ISP have any control but only BT will be able to tell you if that's the case, and they are a bit reluctant to release that kind of info.

[Chipfatinasock]

International donkey-goat-monkey-cock

http://cache.viewimages.com/xc/1732858.jpg?v=1&c=ViewImages&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB9CF1939057D9939C83F106F9F90199E25ED8AF 5A5397277B4DC33E

[the-bruce]

Oh dear where has all the lurve went in the world ....

Brucey

xxxxx

[hornedrat]

it went once people in this thread and all the other threads on this issue gave up listening (well reading) and started bun fighting.

There is not a minority of people who get slowed down at 10pm it affects us all and that is not a problem, it is a fact of the system that enta use to ensure that me and everyone else get a fair share. Now I personally never get a particularly low speed but then I dont p2p or usenet at 10pm i wait till later so that it i don't waste time waiting for slow speeds.

If there are problems that go further then that then the poster needs to start going through all the routines that we normally suggest. But instead it is easier to blame P2P users.

Personally I think that we need to accept that the speeds will suffer at 10 and accept this and try our best to work around it.

As for reporting my post, feel free, if mine is anyworse then a number on here I will personally accept being banned and will even move connection to another provider. But as the readers need to remember sarcasm is a two way street and don't dish if you can't take. btw my wife is not a goth :)

I personally was in the dark last night so felt free to try and explain why ther eis no solution to the 10pm problem but some people dont want to hear that and instead want to try and make pathetic point scoring attempts rather then read a post (long maybe) that tries to explain why no other system (I could think off) is likely to work.

We need solutions suggested to this issues and throttling doesn't work. Once you move port or encrypt your peer 2 peer it goes right back to the top of the bandwidth usage.

There are also a large number of legitimate p2p applications, (i.e. use a p2p base ofr distributed gaming etc.) these would be affected by throttling which would be unfair to those users.


Have a great day all.

[rockcity]

Usenet is nothing like p2p. Last time I checked I've never clogged my pipe with both upload and download paths running to capacity concurrently.

I don't torrent. I class myself as a moderate user and as a moderate user I am suffering sub-standard service because of a small minority of users that insist on saturating available bandwidth from 10pm until the wee hours of the morning. Why should Enta add more centrals to combat speed issues?

They'd just be catering to selfish users who would be all "thank you very much!" as they grab that bandwidth for their p2p stuff too, leaving joe average in a no better situation than before.

We all pay the same fees and I don't think it is unreasonable to expect half-decent download speeds whatever time I grab something off the net. As it stands, I pretty much know for a fact I'll be waiting ages for a file if I even think about trying after 10pm. The only people I expect to see trolling and naysaying in this thread are torrent junkies. If you must post, please have something constructive to say about tackling the problem. As it is I'm thinking about migrating.

My speed does not seem to take a hit whenever I use the service :)

Both peak and off peak (as in 24/7) I get the same 0.7MB/s its glorious! Enta/24 rules. You could always try to find a better ISP for your needs...

Rob (Pleased as punch)

[the-bruce]

Well when Brucey's down in the dumps (Very Rare) i normally look for a cuddle from mrs-bruce, then listened to ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1wvtGOBV-g


Brucey

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[tboorman]

I think that it's time to close this thread. Personal insults will not be tolerated in future, and offenders will have a ban imposed on them - you have been warned.