Entanet Aggressivly blocking Internet Access

[tim_uk74]

Hi there,

I just had to speak with Entanet directly as they had BLOCKED my Access due to a suspect Torrent Feed.

The person I spoke with said that this torrent had been downloaded from my IP and we just block people so when they call in we can tell them to delete the files!!

What a bloody Cheek!!

I ask what exactly is ADSL24's position on this?

[RND]

Depends what you were downloading.

[JamesL]

What were you downloading for the block to be put in place? *nix distros don't tend to get the backs up of the copyright enforcement for them to report you. I assume any wireless is secured?

[macanix]

I for one think this is wrong (not that I promote illegal file sharing mind you)
I cannot see how a torrent "tracing" company can just send an email to an ISP saying that so-and-so is downloading copyright material and the ISP then just suspends the account.
The "accusing" company should have to justify, in detail, why they think the ISP should take action. At the moment it seems more of a "educated" thumbsuck on their part and the ISP's, in a knee-jerk reaction, suspend an account just so it looks like they are "doing something".
I'm no legal expert but the way ip spoofing, router hijacks, proxy services etc are going, the only way to prove copyright downloads beyond reasonable doubt would be to actually verify the files are on the users PC.
My usage went through the roof a month ago (59Gb in 15 days) and the only way this could have happened was that my wireless router was 'jacked (and no... the password was not default and WPA-PSK was enabled) No way to prove the router 'jack but I changed the router admin password and PSK to 15+ chars using upper, lower and symbols and usage has dropped to my normal +/- 15Gb per month

[garfield]

I'm no legal expert but the way ip spoofing, router hijacks, proxy services etc are going, the only way to prove copyright downloads beyond reasonable doubt would be to actually verify the files are on the users PC.

End of the day we are legally responsible for our connections, if they have been hijacked, then it would still be us in trouble, we would have to physically prove that it was not us, which personally I would think to be difficult.

[macanix]

I think that is a legal "cop-out" Why should you have to prove that you are innocent? They are making the claim so they should have to prove it. My standpoint is that I have taken all reasonable care to secure my network. Its not my issue if some "geekyboy" has got too much time on his hand and sees my network as his "next project"
Just goes to show - the legal system is moulded to the wishes of business in this country - not individual rights!

[smartybones]

we would have to physically prove that it was not us, which personally I would think to be difficult.

in criminal law, you must prove guilt, it is not the job of the defense to prove you are inocent...

I know that copright is a civil matter, and with that, you do not have to prove... just show enough evidence that it proberbly was you. any argument you make will be seen as you trying to dig your way out.

... but as the laws on copyright are in the process are getting pushed through do make it a criminal matter, you will no longer have to prove your innocence... all you have to do is show evidence of as breach in wireless security, and they cannot prove it was you.

if they did sucsessfully find you guilty, you would then have a claim against the manufacturer of your wireless equiptment, for manufacturing equiptment that is not secure....

if a bank gets broken into, does the cleark who hands over the money get haulled up in court? or the maker of the safe?

so,,, it is in pirates intrest to get these copyright laws made a criminal offense..

[macanix]

Be interesting to know what the legalese "deal" would be if you just downloaded and not uploaded (shared) any files. I've noticed most of the "claims" made by these "monitoring" companies state that you have been "distributing copyright material" i.e. sharing.
A quick look at torrent sites shows that 90% of the files on "offer" are in the good old US of A

[macanix]

My last contribution to this as it must seem like I'm on a crusade here... :)

Check out this PDF that outlines how tracing errors are made at ISP level as well as the flawed infringement identification process... very interesting reading...(with examples of how it can happen)

http://dmca.cs.washington.edu/uwcse_dmca_tr.pdf

[smartybones]

bigginning and end of it is that the record/game/music/movie industry are trying to grab some cash at the same time as shutting down all the P2P stuff...

they will make out of court settlements with people and make others scared of downloading via torrents. if people dont upload because of fear they will get cought there will be nothing to download....

[tim_uk74]

What were you downloading for the block to be put in place? *nix distros don't tend to get the backs up of the copyright enforcement for them to report you. I assume any wireless is secured?

They claim a whole bunch of files, for the xbox 360, which is preposterous as I don't even own a 360.

I run a wireless network at home and is as secure as anything is these days.

To be frank, I do not blame adsl24 in anyway for this, you guys have been nothing but awesome.

I wonder how long it will be however that before Entanet decide to traffic shape or attach fair usage policies?

All the best,

Tim_uk74

[JamesL]

What type of security is in use? 64bit wep is easily breakable in 2 or 3 minutes..

[garfield]

thats why mine is set to WPA2 and a ridiculous long password

[produx]

http://www.scmagazineuk.com/WiFi-is-no-longer-a-viable-secure-connection/article/119294/

[RND]

They claim a whole bunch of files, for the xbox 360, which is preposterous as I don't even own a 360.

I run a wireless network at home and is as secure as anything is these days.

To be frank, I do not blame adsl24 in anyway for this, you guys have been nothing but awesome.

I wonder how long it will be however that before Entanet decide to traffic shape or attach fair usage policies?

All the best,

Tim_uk74

they already operate a FUP and they have traffic shaped in the past.

[timeout]

http://www.scmagazineuk.com/WiFi-is-no-longer-a-viable-secure-connection/article/119294/

Its a semi bogus story as far as WPA is concerned.

To get the 10,000% increase you would need to have hundreds of the machines with dual cards running parallel on the same network.

And then its reducing something that is in the region of 10 to the power of 12 hundred years. So provided you have a good password its not crackable in any sort of time that would make it even worth thinking about trying.

For a good password generator look at:

www.grc.com/passwords

[tim_uk74]

Its a semi bogus story as far as WPA is concerned.


Well I've since implemented WPA security on my router and found it to be completely unstable.

My wireless network keeps dropping out which is totaly useless for our requirements as I keep loosing my VPN login to work and my partner looses her vid stream.

So where does this leave me?

I also read somewhere that the Piratebay are inserting random IP's into thier trackers... could this be a reason why there appears to be a record of the files entanet stated I downloaded??

I talked with my technical director at work who changed my VPN profile as to ensure that no one at work was hogging my connection and using it to D/L stuff.

I think I may have to open my connection though as it is completely unusable with the drop outs every few minutes with WPA active.

[Reines]

Having WPA enabled shouldn't affect the stability of the connection, unless you happen to have some bad drivers for your wireless card.

[smartybones]

i was just reading that tpb and mininova are adding random generated ip addresses into the trackers so that when the ip addresses are reported to isp's for investigation and said ip address are then proven to be not responsible, it then makes the whole method of collecting offenders useless, and hopefully they will drop it !!

the only bad thing is it means that there will be lots of inocent people having to defend themselves.....

[ORANGEutang]

I for one think this is wrong (not that I promote illegal file sharing mind you)
I cannot see how a torrent "tracing" company can just send an email to an ISP saying that so-and-so is downloading copyright material and the ISP then just suspends the account.
The "accusing" company should have to justify, in detail, why they think the ISP should take action. At the moment it seems more of a "educated" thumbsuck on their part and the ISP's, in a knee-jerk reaction, suspend an account just so it looks like they are "doing something".
I'm no legal expert but the way ip spoofing, router hijacks, proxy services etc are going, the only way to prove copyright downloads beyond reasonable doubt would be to actually verify the files are on the users PC.
My usage went through the roof a month ago (59Gb in 15 days) and the only way this could have happened was that my wireless router was 'jacked (and no... the password was not default and WPA-PSK was enabled) No way to prove the router 'jack but I changed the router admin password and PSK to 15+ chars using upper, lower and symbols and usage has dropped to my normal +/- 15Gb per month

Actually they cannot do it - for what I read sometime ago!

Nobody but the magistrate can enforce it and order the ISP to block it, unless it is the terrorism cyber-police ordering it and understandably so.

Can they?

[ess1]

Are they? My wife is able to d/l from Japanese -TV using utorrent but finds that for long periods there is no d/l at all.

[Princess_Frosty]

This is why it's a good idea to get your Linux distros on a private tracker which requires a signup/login, and also uses SSL for encryption and additionally inserts dummy IP's :)

[ess1]

Afraid you have completely lost me.
:s:s

[f.u.b.a.r]

http://www.ico.gov.uk/what_we_cover/data_protection.aspx

Data protection laws.